I found this discussion informative and useful, granting that the respondents are, primarily, 2. But there’s nearly no sophisticated discussion on this topic, and this is, at least, an example of relatively insightful and thoughtful discussion on a topic that is presently extremely contentious, confused, propagandized and generally dangerous.

Eric Weinstein (the problem with language):

“So the problem is you have got a totalizing death cult with all the safeties off the gun for some subset of people, and then we’re going to have this conversation about are we going to be fastidiously accurate in which case it’ll take 17 hours and nobody will want to watch it.

Or is somebody going to say, you know, do the conservative thing to say, well, there’s some… something’s going wrong with Islam and then you’ve got all the collateral damage of reasonable normal people who are, you know, a vice president for inventory at some company uh who happens to go to the mosque and he’s thinking, like, what does this have to do with me?

And then you have got the weird issues about the sympathies; where you’ve got sympathies for completely insane positions from completely moderate people including, now, generically, college students are up for people firing automatic weapons into Portapotties having no idea who’s inside… is a mother, you know, nursing a child inside the Portapotty… who cares?

And to say I stand with Palestine and show a hang glider for black lives matter… think about all the Black Lives Matter signs I saw. Throughout the entire George Floyd thing… I was saying don’t support Black Lives Matter.

Now Black Lives Matter was a piece of Genius called declarative marketing. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it… so we had products in the 70s called Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific or I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter… was the name of the product.

So the name of the product is called Black Lives Matter … how can you disagree with that? You know, so, Save the Adorable Puppy Dogs is what I would call a terrorist organization if I had to. Because how can you disagree with Save the Adorable Puppy Dogs?

We’re deranged by language. We’re not watching things in mainstream context that would make us sick to our stomachs.

And we are becoming infused with a radical ideology through the Democratic party—that is as if it was liberalism-adjacent—like you’ve got radical left-wing death cults that want Revolution for the oppressed that have a seat at the Democratic table, at the same time that somebody like Sam or myself, traditionally a Democrat, is completely unwelcome and you know my claim is that you’re seeing an echo of this madness of jihadism inside mainstream American campuses.”